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Leslie E. Henry's avatar

Interesting. I also thought the posts on "shrimp welfare" were a farce and I didn't read them. like Mathematical equations will never fully explain the individual moral calculus of trying to do one's best .

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Venkateshan K's avatar

I think you are being too dismissive of possibility of sentience in organisms like bees or shrimps. Yes, indeed, nociception does not necessarily imply the subjective experience of pain and neither does observation of behavioral change from administering analgesics. However, as with all these things, this line of argument begs the question: if we are to hold similar standards for demonstration of sentience across species, then how do we know that non-human mammals - including dogs and cats - experience pain? Besides very anthropocentric arguments that their behavior is very similar to ours or that they are closer to us in the evolutionary tree.

Furthermore there have been more detailed investigation on shrimp welfare, and admittedly it is not conclusive one way or the other, but here is for example an excerpt on eyestalk ablation from a post on this topic by Rethink Priorities:

"After having one eyestalk ablated, shrimp display several behaviors potentially indicative of pain, like tail-flicking (see Box 2), recoiling, stooping (lying prone on the pond floor), disorientation-indicative behaviors, avoiding shelter, erratic swimming, and rubbing the affected area for a period of time after ablation (Barr et al., 2008; Diarte-Plata et al., 2012; Taylor et al., 2004). "

https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/8DYebF3XBccHvttSn/welfare-considerations-for-farmed-shrimp#Indicators_of_pain

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